Getting rid of the keyboard: thumb coding

I work a lot with my iPad on the creative stuff, like drawings, mindmaps, texts. But programming is a huge pain ^.^. There are solutions like

Does someone know other efforts that were made in the direction of “touch coding”?


And yes, I can also run my computer, but I think it is an interesting topic. I am for example also impressed with apps like Notion, which provide databases with a great user experience.

Hello @Lotes

If you are interested in applicationes like Notion, perhaps you can find interesting some of these:

Thanks for the links. There are a lot of note apps and databases out there. But what I am searching is not modeling data. You can move all your knowledge to graphs and make lists for tasks. But modeling actions or code using a touch device is what I am asking for.
I have an idea and I am working on some sketches right now…

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Cool idea: curious for the sketches.

The thing with a (physical) keyboard is that it has a very high bandwidth, even when typing with less than 10 fingers (as I am: usually about 6). That’s tough to beat, plus giving names to things is one of our best abstraction mechanisms, for which a keyboard-like device would work fastest.

So, a lot of the potential of this idea has to come from the language used.

There were - are still? - programming environments for analog computers that worked by letting you visually “wire up blocks”. And from that came several such environments for setting up laboratory equipment, gathering data. LabView is quite popular today for that, see these screenshots.

(This is to answer the specific question “other efforts that were made in the direction of touch coding”, not to say that this will help you with programming.)

Not sure if it is something you are looking for, but I guess Enso is worth a closer look: https://enso.org/
It comes very close to “visual” programming. At the end, it is data flow programming - very promising programming paradigma …

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@meinte.boersma Indeed… the keyboard is hard to beat. But with my voice speaking into a MIC it should work. Using one realtime transcribe service can be a solution…
Thanks for pointing that out…

@david.bakin LabView is definitive a visual solution, but I was hoping for some point and click for textual editor.

@kuniss Enso looks more like something I was thinking… I will have a closer look.

Thx for participating… :smiley:

Dear Lotes,
Most of the tools mentioned by Ocaretu are not for writing programs. Even systems like Enso, which is a hybrid text + graphical representation programming system are completely still keyboard based, and although they use auto-complete to a great extent, their UI is clearly based solely on use of mouse + keyboard.

The only successful programming system i have seen, completely optimized for touch, that actually works well, is the Fancade programming system. It is an App, with unparalleled ergonomics, that has let millions of people play games, and tens of thousands create and share little tiny games. It is a voxel based game development system, but the raw primitives of variables, IF, assignment, comparison, etc. make it a full-featured programming language. Mr. Magni of Sweden wrote it, they have a Discord group, and the tutorials on YouTube will get you started.

His snapping, selection, wire route mapping and general UI principles are of the highest quality, and anyone working in this area of GUI for programming should study this product closely, as it is such a good product. He uses sound effects, color coding for typing, and many other niceties. I guarantee you will admire the craftsmanship, and superb level of polish this game has.

If you knew how hard it is to earn my admiration (I dislike almost everything i see), you would not hesitate to study this product.

Enso is still very early in their evolution, and they are years behind Fancade.

@CodingFiend Wow, very impressive.